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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 04:30:14 PDT
From: Ham-Ant Mailing List and Newsgroup <ham-ant@ucsd.edu>
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Subject: Ham-Ant Digest V94 #300
To: Ham-Ant
Ham-Ant Digest Thu, 8 Sep 94 Volume 94 : Issue 300
Today's Topics:
2 meters quad help
AC House wiring used as antenna?
Antenna gain ratings?
apartment antennas
Comet Miracle Baby HT - Is this good?
HERE's a tough one for you
Info on Autek SWR/Z/L/C Meter
modem
Two Beverages - Revisited
Wanted: UHF Log Periodic 300-400mHz
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Date: 7 Sep 94 23:24:38 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: 2 meters quad help
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
Hello folks!
I will like to build a 2-element quad to ise on 2 meters band.
I need the dimension and spacing for the elements, and how I can build
a suitable balun for this antenna.
Can anyone help me? Any comment will be apprecciated.
73 de Mike
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 07:52:01 -0400
From: newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net
Subject: AC House wiring used as antenna?
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
In article <slayCvpv5y.4B7@netcom.com>, slay@netcom.com (Sandy Lynch)
writes:
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At first glance ..... the obvious answer about using a house's AC
system as an antenna will either have people gasping at the mere thought
of it .. or laughing out loud. However, I seem to recall hearing stories
that during World War 2, when Hams were ordered off the air for the
duration .. some would put RF into the AC mains and would actually
be able to QSO with other local hams... Can any old, old timers out there
comment on this as well?
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I've got plans for a receive antenna that uses house wiring. You cut the
end off of an extension cord, wrap it in electrical tape, lay an insulated
wire down the groove between the two wires of the cord and wrap the whole
thing in tape. Run the wire to your rig (I think tuner would be best).
It is then suggested to make a long cylinder of aluminum foil, put it over
the whole shebang, and slide it up and down for resonance. Might work for
receive (oh the noise!), but I think transmit would be a nightmare, with
all the junctions rectifying RF etc.
72, jim n0oct
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 08:15:12 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bbc!ant!boyer@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Antenna gain ratings?
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
Jeff DePolo (depolo@blue.seas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: In article <kgk-0609941536070001@kgkmac.repoc.nwu.edu>,
: Kenneth Kalan <kgk@nwu.edu> wrote:
Other stuff deleted.
: db alone can mean either dBi or dBd - it should be expressed somewhere which
: the writer is referring to. As a general rule of thumb, dBd is used when
: referring to a measured value, and dBi when referring to a calculated
: value. For example, Cushcraft takes their new antenna out to the test
: range. They use a half-wave dipole as a reference. They find that their
: new super yagi has 6.9 dB of gain over their half-wave dipole reference
: antenna.
I doubt very much that they do this. If they do it's almost certainly
going to be wrong. There will be different ground reflections from each
antenna and this means the received signal level will vary. They probably
measure the pattern in the e and h planes and then assume how the pattern
varies in between and then work out the pattern gain.
Of course they may have a reflection free range!! I have a pig that plays
the piano.
They may also have the clever H.P. gating box that allows you to ignore
reflections in pattern measurement, but doesn't allow gain measurement by
substitution because of its wide bandwidth.
: So, the yagi has 6.9 dBd gain. However, for things such as
: effective radiated power, the calculations are done with respect to
: an isotropic radiator (EIRP), so 100 watts of transmitter power output
: (abbreviated TPO) into this yagi would give an EIRP of about 800 watts,
: assuming no feed line loss of course.
Maximum ERP!!!!
: It has been my experience that Cushcraft, Diamond, Comet, and several of the
: other manufacturers inflate their gain figures. Assume that the numbers
: they give are dBi unless otherwise stated. Remember: marketing guys write
: the catalogs, not the engineers. To the marketing guys, 9.0 dB looks better
: than 6.9 dB, so they use the 9.0 value and leave off the "i" in dBi.
Yes, and I'm sure it winds you up as much as it does me.
John B
John.boyer@rd.eng.bbc.co.uk
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Date: 04 Sep 94 13:08:14 +0200
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!delos.stgt.sub.org!life.sub.org!Manfred_Eichenbrenner@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: apartment antennas
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
Hello jonathanjh@aol.com,
j> Have you tried the AEA Isoloop? It doesn't take much space, and
j> performs very well on 10-30.
can you tell something more about it, please?
with a friendly smile, Manne...
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 08:18:45 -0400
From: news1.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Comet Miracle Baby HT - Is this good?
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
Hi,
I have lost my HT antenna - so I am looking for a good replacement. I have
a Kenwood TH-78A - should I just get the original equipment antenna or
get a Comet Miracle Baby? I have been looking around for a short, but good,
antenna - most are 12" which is better than 1.25" but I would like to
have something shorter rather than longer. If there is a FAQ about this
please point me in the direction of this file.
73s,
Fernie
KE4MAI
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 11:47:20 GMT
From: cronkite.cisco.com!mvermeer-ssclx!mvermeer@ames.arpa
Subject: HERE's a tough one for you
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
Hi,
A log-periodic antennae could be a good solution depending on how high
a gain you want. Commercially available log-per's have an extremely
high bandwidth (50-1200 MHz?) and a gain that is depending on the
frequency but that looks impressive to me. Disadvantage is the price.
I have been playing with the idea to design/build a log-per for
100-500MHz.
Marc, OS2AMV
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Date: 7 Sep 94 20:38:10 GMT
From: uswnvg!jdonimi@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Info on Autek SWR/Z/L/C Meter
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
I was just about to buy the $219 MFJ SWR meter with resistance meter
when I saw the Autek ad. At $129, it's worth checking out...
Does anyone own one of these Autek meters? If so, do you like it? How well
do the various functions work? Is it convenient to use?
Is there an owner in the Seattle, WA area who would be willing to give
me a demo of the Autek?
Thanks,
Jeremy WA7YGB
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:01:17 GMT
From: psinntp!hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!hkuxb.hku.hk!hkuxa.hku.hk!h9207737@uunet.uu.net
Subject: modem
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
hello,
I will do a project called '900MHz modem RF design'
which is one part of a basestation used in mobile radio
communication. Ca some books for me to read?
Also, where do I get literature/data-books on RF ?
Thanks!!
philip
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Date: 7 Sep 94 17:09:13 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: Two Beverages - Revisited
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
I have probably beat this issue to death by now. At the possible
risk of boring you all again, I come to you with a humble
request for help w/a newly erected 2 wire Beverage.
Has anyone used a termination at the far end that consists of a
transformer as per Misek's book on the subject? If so, could
you share your experiences with me. Do you find the antenna
as good as a terminated single-wire antenna. My experience has
been (subjective) that the 2 wire doesn't perform as well in
either direction as a single wire resistor terminated affair.
Thanx for taking the time to read this.
......................................................................
73 de Walt Kornienko - K2WK Internet: waltk@pica.army.mil
DX PacketCluster: K2WK > W3MM (FRC) Packet: K2WK@N2ERH.NJ.USA.NOAM
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 22:27:09 -0400
From: newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Wanted: UHF Log Periodic 300-400mHz
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
Looking for Mil. surplus ant. Will pick up in New England or pay
shippping elsewhere.. Email price / condition.
sean1916@aol.com
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